Ubik wrote:As us mortals are dead at the end of this round anyway, forgive me for quickly sobering up for ease of understanding.
I think, briefly, that this game has been tough because there are no facts beyond death. That's the only way we find out someone's role and whether the people they trusted/suspected was based on good faith or mafia strategy. That's one reason why my guessing of AB4Lyfe early on was in retrospect not ideal, because we got to see very little of how he behaved with the rest of us, and because it may have got a mafia to heaven on goodwill. #1. Most of us were sure at one point or another that one of Timo and Andy were mafia and were wrong. Micky's regrettable death was at the time the only way I could think of to get some info from the round, but still wasn't worth the cost in the end.
My vote is based on two things. One: partnerships. #2 I see no evidence that Kev was working in concert with Summer or Lotha, whereas I can see good evidence for zaz on both in terms of voting patterns and strategy. I'm potentially vulnerable to this myself with regards to Summer as I instigated the vote, however I'd argue back that it's highly unlikely I would work out a plan in phase one to kill my teammate to gain favour for access to heaven, only to then throw that trust away in the next phase by coming up with the Andy/Micky plan. It would make zero sense.
Two: behaviour. #3 Zaz has been great at hanging in the background when it comes to decision making. He'll contribute plenty elsewhere but when it comes to votes, he's always a few behind everyone else and invariably lands in line with the majority, safe and free from view. If a townie is about to die, he always prepares the ground with a "I'm sure this will prove wrong, but hey, wasn't my decision". #4Then there's something more specific - the frequency that he's brought up the idea of me going to heaven across the game. I initially thought this was in good faith, however his actions in the last round shone a different light, where he acted like this was a selfish idea on my part, then later on pretended that he'd been willing to do it if only I hadn't voted for Shea. There, it seemed more of a trap designed to get me to agree, and then once I did, have it treated as suspicious.
I can't guarantee that I'm right, I'd say I'm about 70/30 in favour of it being zaz in light of the above, but that'll have to be enough. That's a longer post than I intended but still doesn't really do the game justice. If you want to challenge parts of it or get me to clarify something I'll do that tomorrow because I really need to sleep.
Vote: zazthespaz
Went through the thread for my defense thinking I’d come out making a fight to vote for Ubik - quite surprised at my findings!
I’ll respond below to the parts in your quote I’ve highlighted and bolded.
#1 - I historically did not believe Timo was mafia (more on this later). I was suspicious of Andy for a while, but after his selection of Lotha for heaven, I changed my mind and actively tried to get us to not send him to hell. After it became clear the group was sticking to the pact, I agreed to uphold my end of the bargain and sent him to hell against my better judgment. In both cases, I was right and they were not mafia.
#2 - I agree there is no evidence of Kev working with Summer or Lotha (or AB4Lyfe for that matter). Here is the voting order for those 3:
AB4Lyfe
zaz: #4
Kev: Only one to vote Ubik
Ubik: #1
Vote For Summer
zaz: #7
Kev: #8
Ubik: #3
Vote for Lotha
zaz: #3
Kev: #4
Ubik: #5
Kev was one of the few to not vote AB4Lyfe (mafia) and voted for Summer and Lotha (one of whom is mafia) after me! Lotha was a shoe-in, granted (granite - we still doing Gurthie spelling?), but if Summer is mafia and Kev is her teammate, that’s a pretty convenient time to vote, no?
#3. Agreed again, I have been vocal in the phases and delayed in the voting game. Here’s more of the voting order:
Vote for Andy
Questioned sending Andy to Hell despite set up. Tried to get out of it, but ended up sticking to the pact that Ubik established. (Andy was a townie)
Vote for Mara (page 30-31)
zaz: #4
Kev: DID NOT VOTE
Ubik: #2
I was last to the vote because there was very little information on her. Worth mentioning again that Kev did not partake in that vote for a townie.
Vote for Timo
Voted late on Timo because I knew he wasn't mafia. Here’s what I said instead of voting.
zazthespaz wrote:I don't want to give the final vote yet, not before Shea has said something. I know Andy had his suspicions of Timo and that Andy turned out to be a townie, but I don't have a good feeling about voting him out.
While we’re on the subject of Timo (who reminder, was innocent):
Timotheus wrote: zaz and I have a similar voting record. Let's look at our votes.
-Phase one: mafia to hell
-Phase two: Sum to heaven, unknown if townie or mafia.
-Phase three: both started out voting for Andy and zaz switched over to Micky, though he didn't want to.
Vote for Shea
I still stand by the notion that sending Shea to heaven was a bad idea, even knowing he is a townie. I think if it comes to a judgement day, I want the best judges working for me; especially if one is mafia. Shea consistently voted to send himself to heaven or hell, jumped on any bandwagon he could, and voted for Inconquerable. If we get to a judgement day, we cannot count on him to make a sound judgement.
Which brings me to:
#4. I suggested sending you to heaven because it was done in good faith. You started the vote for AB4Lyfe which is something a mafia wouldn’t do (unless they’re playing a dangerous con game) so that means you have a good sense of judgment. I did not want you to get to a point in the game where you would have to fight to become a martyr because we’re risking a solid judge at that point.
I voted for Kev in the last heaven round because I thought he’d be the safer bet between him and Shea (I was obviously wrong and got lucky thanks to you guys in that regard) and he would be easier to change the mind of (which proved to be true). I was convinced Shea was mafia so I was hoping to go for the snowball effect and have you side with us to avoid sending a mafia to heaven. (You yourself pointed out how he missed that you were already voting for him giving credibility to the fact that if he’s not mafia, he’s at least not a good martyr) I had my Kev snowball building but wasn’t hearing from you - I thought you might’ve read my post and were thinking about it, which is why I suggested sending you to heaven instead. It wasn’t a quid-pro-quo matter, it was me trying to move the momentum away from Shea and going with anyone who I thought would be a better choice.
All that is why I am going to say:
Vote: Kev
I still believe Ubik is a solid judge of character (except in this case, but even he said there’s a 30% chance he’s wrong) and would’ve made a great martyr judge. I’m hoping his last vote will be changed to keep that consistent.
