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Re: Alter Bridge/Creed/Mark Tremonti Tuning Master List

Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2021 11:32 pm
by maximzub
The DIsposable Hero wrote: Wed Jun 18, 2014 7:36 pm Updated as of June 28, 2019. The new Alter Bridge song “Wouldn’t You Rather” has been added to the list. All of the songs off of the new album “Walk the Sky” will be added as songs are released!
It's been a long time since then. Here's all the Walk The Sky and Marching In Time songs for the list. Also, some updates to existing songs as we find out that Mark/Myles/Eric might be in a different tuning than originally listed, or that a song is played live in a different tuning than it was recorded in.

Additions and updates as of November 7, 2021:

E Standard
Take You With Me (Played in Eb Standard live)
If Not For You (Mark, Eric is in B Standard)
Thrown Further
The Last One Of Us

Drop D
The First The Last (Played in Drop C# live)
In One Piece
Under The Sun

Open D Minor Add 9 (D A E A D F)
As The Silence Becomes Me (Mark, Eric is in D Standard)

Drop B (B A D G B E)
Coming Home (Myles, Mark is in Drop D 1 1/2 steps down)
This Side Of Fate (Myles, Mark is in Open B minor add 9)

Eb Standard/Half-Step Down
My Last Mistake (Played in D Standard live since 2022)
Godspeed
Walking On The Sky
Tear Us Apart
Last Rites

Drop Db/C#
Ghost Of Days Gone By (Myles, Mark is in Open D 1/2 step down)
Words Darker Than Their Wings (Myles, Mark is in Open Gm 1/2 step down)
Waters Rising (Played in Drop C live from 2013-2017)
Cradle To The Grave (Mark, Myles is in Open Gm 1/2 step down)
You Will Be Remembered (Myles, Mark is in Drop B)
In The Deep (Myles, Mark is in Ab/G# Standard)
Native Son
Take The Crown
Pay No Mind
Forever Falling (Myles, Mark is in C# Standard)
Not Afraid To Lose (Eric, Mark is in Open C#)
Would You Kill

Open D5 Half-Step Down (Db Ab Db Ab Db Db)
Ghost Of Days Gone By (Mark, Myles is in Drop Db/C#)

Open C#/Open D Half-Step Down (Db Ab Db F Ab Db)
Not Afraid To Lose (Mark, Eric is in Drop Db/C#)

Drop Bb/A# (Bb Ab Db Gb Bb Eb)
Indoctrination (Myles, Mark is in Bb/A# Standard)
The Bitter End

Open Gm Half-Step Down (Db Gb Db Gb A Db)
Words Darker Than Their Wings (Mark, Myles is in Drop Db/C#)
Cradle To The Grave (Myles, Mark is in Drop Db/C#)
Dying Light

D Standard/Whole-Step Down
As The Silence Becomes Me (Eric, Mark is in Open D Minor Add 9)
Clear Horizon

Drop C
Shed My Skin (Played in Drop Db/C# live in 2017)
The End Is Here (Played in Drop Db/C# live in 2017)
One Life

Db/C# Standard/One and a Half Steps Down
So You're Afraid (Played in D Standard live since 2021)
Forever Falling (Mark, Myles is in Drop Db/C#)

Drop B (B F# B E G# C#)
Coming Home (Mark, Myles is in B A D G B E)
You Will Be Remembered (Mark, Myles is in Drop Db/C#)

Open B minor add 9 tuning (B F# C# F# B D)
This Side Of Fate (Mark, Myles is in B A D G B E)

C Standard (C F A# D# G C)
Throw Them To The Lions (sometimes played in B Standard live)
Bleak

B Standard (B E A D F# B)
If Not For You (Eric, Mark is in E Standard)
Let That Be Us
Marching In Time

Bb/A# Standard (Bb Eb Ab Db F Bb)
Indoctrination (Mark, Myles is in Drop Bb/A#)
Now And Forever

Drop Ab/G#/Drop D 4 steps down (Ab Eb Ab Db F Bb)
A World Away (Eric, Mark is in Open Ab/G#5)

Open Ab/G#5 (Ab Eb Ab Eb Ab Ab)
A World Away (Mark, Eric is in Drop Ab/G#)

Ab/G# Standard (Ab Db Gb B Eb Ab)
In The Deep (Mark, Myes is in Drop Db/C#)

Re: Alter Bridge/Creed/Mark Tremonti Tuning Master List

Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2021 8:31 am
by SchwiizVT12
maximzub wrote: Sun Nov 07, 2021 11:32 pm Drop Db/C#
Not Afraid To Lose (Eric, Mark is in Open C#)

Open C#/Open D Half-Step Down (Db Ab Db F Ab Db)
Not Afraid To Lose (Mark, Eric is in Drop Db/C#)

Open Gm Half-Step Down (Db Gb Db Gb A Db)
Words Darker Than Their Wings (Mark, Myles is in Drop Db/C#)
Dying Light

B Standard (B E A D F# B)
Let That Be Us
While I agree with the majority of your additions, these few I would disagree on;

Eric is the one playing the intro in "Not Afraid To Lose" (based on the live video which was posted to FB a couple of weeks ago, can't find it on YouTube for some reason), and for that you need a ringing Ab and Db string (which you can hear at around the end of the first line of Mark's singing). Also in that same video you hear him play an open C-note (which would be a C# on the record) during one of his short leads, further hinting that he's actually the one in Open C#-major.

In the same video, you can spot Mark is actually playing shapes more reminiscent to being tuned to C#-standard albeit with the 3rd string tuned UP to an F (because there is clearly that ringing F-note throughout that song), meaning Mark is tuned to C# F# B F G# C#.

For "Words..." Mark is tuned to Db Gb Db Gb Ab Db (you can hear that ringing Ab during the verse while he frets the A note on the 3rd fret of the 3rd string), and for Dying Light he is tuned to Open Gb-major, same tuning as In Loving Memory; watching them play live confirmed this as during the WTS tour during soundcheck the band first played In Loving Memory and went right into Dying Light and Mark didn't retune his guitar (or first DL then ILM, but you get the idea).

Finally, for Let That Be Us, I am 99% he's playing in Drop B (a la Coming Home, Home, You Will Be Remembered) for two reasons; the turnaround on the 2nd verse is more straightforward to play in Drop B, and especially during the bridge during the finger-picked part you can hear the ringing B note which you can't have at that pitch in B Standard unless you fret the 7th fret on the fifth string, and playing the dyad's over the ringing B-note become near impossible in B-standard but are a breeze in Drop B due to having access to that open B note.

Re: Alter Bridge/Creed/Mark Tremonti Tuning Master List

Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2021 10:44 am
by davidstvz
SchwiizVT12 wrote: Fri Nov 19, 2021 8:31 am While I agree with the majority of your additions, these few I would disagree on;

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For "Words..." Mark is tuned to Db Gb Db Gb Ab Db (you can hear that ringing Ab during the verse while he frets the A note on the 3rd fret of the 3rd string), and for Dying Light he is tuned to Open Gb-major, same tuning as In Loving Memory; watching them play live confirmed this as during the WTS tour during soundcheck the band first played In Loving Memory and went right into Dying Light and Mark didn't retune his guitar (or first DL then ILM, but you get the idea).
I agree 100%. The official tab book has the tuning you mention (not that it is always right; their Ghost of Days Gone By tuning is terrible). Words Darker is basically unplayable in the tuning currently suggested by the master list here, and live footage of Mark playing shows him using finger positions that agree with the book (which has Open Gsus2 down a half step).

I wrote about this in this thread back in March this year and updated my spreadsheet (which contains mostly the info from this thread) to reflect it:

Here's my spreadsheet link: https://www.dropbox.com/s/cpdc6spjok50d ... .xlsx?dl=0

And here's what I wrote in March:
davidstvz wrote: Sat Mar 27, 2021 9:20 am Speaking of that song [words darker], I just looked at the live footage for the first time and unless they changed from the album tuning, it's not in Open Gm (-1) as our master list here says. In fact, I can't even come up with a reasonable way to play the opening riff in that tuning. Upon closer inspection, the official tab book's tuning (Open Gsus2 down a half step) seems accurate. It's the same as Open Gm except with the 2nd string dropped an additional half step to G# from A. If anyone wants to continue pushing the idea that it's in Open Gm, they should come up with a reasonable tab for that tuning first.

Re: Alter Bridge/Creed/Mark Tremonti Tuning Master List

Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2022 5:07 pm
by maximzub
https://www.instagram.com/p/CaJLQxQAsiM ... MyMTA2M2Y=

From this video, it seems like Let That Be Us is in BADGBE.

Re: Alter Bridge/Creed/Mark Tremonti Tuning Master List

Posted: Fri Jun 03, 2022 5:21 pm
by gmetzger
Check the fingering again that’s definitely B F# B E G# C#, you can also check live footage now.

Re: Alter Bridge/Creed/Mark Tremonti Tuning Master List

Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2022 12:29 pm
by maximzub
What weird tunings do you think Myles and Mark have come up with this time around?

Re: Alter Bridge/Creed/Mark Tremonti Tuning Master List

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2022 12:26 pm
by jeff
Sooooooo... Any thoughts on the tuning for Pawns and Kings anybody?

Re: Alter Bridge/Creed/Mark Tremonti Tuning Master List

Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2022 4:32 pm
by Dolo
Drop C#/Standard C#?

Re: Alter Bridge/Creed/Mark Tremonti Tuning Master List

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2022 4:15 am
by Dolo


The dude's already on it.

Re: Alter Bridge/Creed/Mark Tremonti Tuning Master List

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2022 5:37 pm
by gmetzger
Dolo wrote: Tue Jul 19, 2022 4:15 am

The dude's already on it.
Thanks for sharing man!

Re: Alter Bridge/Creed/Mark Tremonti Tuning Master List

Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2022 5:59 pm
by Dolo
gmetzger wrote: Tue Jul 19, 2022 5:37 pm
Dolo wrote: Tue Jul 19, 2022 4:15 am

The dude's already on it.
Thanks for sharing man!
Oh man, didn't realize it was you hahahahahaha
Great job and I'm jealous of that wall of PRS lol :D

Re: Alter Bridge/Creed/Mark Tremonti Tuning Master List

Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2022 7:52 pm
by maximzub
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/ ... Q/htmlview#

This seems to suggest that we could have been wrong about some of the tunings we have here.

Re: Alter Bridge/Creed/Mark Tremonti Tuning Master List

Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2022 5:51 am
by Dolo
I think we've got Bb Ab Db Gb Bb Eb on This is War unless they've brought out 7 strings for that which I doubt.

Sin After Sin would be a regular Drop C# however I've seen some tabs for the first 3 singles in Standard C# (like this one) which makes them twice as difficult to play. Maybe somebody can ask Mark on Twitter? If not, we'll need to wait until the live performances.

Re: Alter Bridge/Creed/Mark Tremonti Tuning Master List

Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2022 10:55 am
by gmetzger
Sin After Sin is regular Drop C#.they have a clip of Mark playing the riff on the AB TikTok.

Re: Alter Bridge/Creed/Mark Tremonti Tuning Master List

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 1:52 am
by maximzub
Final guesses on tunings for this album. They didn't seem to stray too far in any weird directions (although I could be wrong).

This Is War - Bb Ab Db Gb Bb Eb
Dead Among The Living - Bb Ab Db Gb Bb Eb
Silver Tongue - Db Ab Db Gb Bb Eb
Sin After Sin - Db Ab Db Gb Bb Eb
Stay - Eb Ab Db Gb Bb Eb
Holiday - Bb Ab Db Gb Bb Eb
Fable Of The Silent Son - Db Ab Db Gb Bb Eb (Myles); Ab Db Gb B E Ab Db (Mark)
Season Of Promise - D A D G B E
Last Man Standing - Db Ab Db Gb Bb Eb
Pawns & Kings - Db Ab Db Gb Bb Eb

Re: Alter Bridge/Creed/Mark Tremonti Tuning Master List

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 2:00 am
by Dolo
That seems right on the money to me! Do we have any proof of Mark going 7 string on FotSS though? It sounds like a Ab and historically he went down to this on both 6 and 7 strings.

Re: Alter Bridge/Creed/Mark Tremonti Tuning Master List

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 4:08 am
by gmetzger
My Initial Guesses for P&K tunings:

This Is War - A# G# C# F# A# D#
Dead Among The Living - A# G# C# F# A# D#
Silver Tongue - C# G# C# G# C# C# (Mark), C# G# C# F# A# D# (Myles)
Sin After Sin - C# G# C# F# A# D#
Stay - B F# B F# B B (Mark), C# G# C# F# A# D# (Myles)
Holiday - A# G# C# F# A# D#
Fable Of The Silent Son - G# D# G# C# F A# (Mark), G# G# C# F# A# D# (Myles)
Season Of Promise - D A D F# A D
Last Man Standing - C# G# C# F# A# D#
Pawns & Kings - C# G# C# F# A# D#

Re: Alter Bridge/Creed/Mark Tremonti Tuning Master List

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 10:47 am
by maximzub
gmetzger wrote: Fri Oct 14, 2022 4:08 am My Initial Guesses for P&K tunings:
Silver Tongue - C# G# C# G# C# C# (Mark), C# G# C# F# A# D# (Myles)

Stay - B F# B F# B B (Mark), C# G# C# F# A# D# (Myles)

Fable Of The Silent Son - G# D# G# C# F A# (Mark), G# G# C# F# A# D# (Myles)

Season Of Promise - D A D F# A D
These are some interesting guesses.

Were you at the listening party? Did Mark play in Open C#5 on Silver Tongue?

I don't hear any low B or C# notes in Stay, which is why I guessed it was in Eb standard. Also because Mark says it's a simple song to play.

I could see why both Myles and Mark would have low G# notes on their guitars, because there are a lot of times when both guitars are playing low G# notes. Now whether that's Drop G#, Standard G#, Standard C# on a 7-string or something else is a mystery. I only guessed the 7-string variant because Mark posted a picture of his new 7-string a while ago.

I don't know about Season Of Promise, but it definitely has the first two string tuned to D and A.

Re: Alter Bridge/Creed/Mark Tremonti Tuning Master List

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 10:50 am
by Andy92
Dolo wrote: Fri Oct 14, 2022 2:00 am That seems right on the money to me! Do we have any proof of Mark going 7 string on FotSS though? It sounds like a Ab and historically he went down to this on both 6 and 7 strings.
There was a photo a couple weeks ago the band posted of a 7 string guitar in a case when advertising the upcoming tour, so probably an assumption he used it somewhere on the record.

I know Mark usually still uses 6 strings even on low tunings, but given the photo mixed with Drop G# being a common tuning for 7 strings, it seems like a likely spot for it.

Re: Alter Bridge/Creed/Mark Tremonti Tuning Master List

Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 11:24 am
by gmetzger
maximzub wrote: Fri Oct 14, 2022 10:47 am Were you at the listening party? Did Mark play in Open C#5 on Silver Tongue?

I don't hear any low B or C# notes in Stay, which is why I guessed it was in Eb standard. Also because Mark says it's a simple song to play.

I could see why both Myles and Mark would have low G# notes on their guitars, because there are a lot of times when both guitars are playing low G# notes. Now whether that's Drop G#, Standard G#, Standard C# on a 7-string or something else is a mystery. I only guessed the 7-string variant because Mark posted a picture of his new 7-string a while ago.

I don't know about Season Of Promise, but it definitely has the first two string tuned to D and A.
I was not at the listening party, but a video of them playing Silver Tongue acoustic from the radio sessions was floating around with Mark playing in C#.

Stay is easy to play because he's pedaling F# and B note from the open tuning, it's faint but at times you can hear him play a low B. Also there is a very clear C# chord in the bridge.

As much as I'd love for Mark to bust out the 7 again, they posted that same photo of the 7 string during the WTS tour and that album has no 7 string tracks. His solo doesn't get particularly high which is why I guessing he's on the baritone. Could very well be G# Standard since Mark typically uses standard tuning on the baritone.

The reason I put Season of Promise in Open D is because during the bridge there's that open ringing F# and Myles has uses Open D in his solo project. Mark could very well be in another tuning.